I hope Nikon do eventually release a Z7III. I guess Nikon did release the Z8 which was a cheaper and lighter alternative to the Z9. Yet the Z8 still packed a lot of similar specs to the Z9. Only Nikon knows the true answer as to what will happen in the future… 🤞🙏📸
I agree with you that the Z7III might never be released. However, the Z8 is too large for everyday travel. An ideal option would be a Z7III with the size of a Z6III, 60 MP resolution, and a screen similar to the A7RV. I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Z8’s size; not everyone prefers a camera that big. Nikon would need to include a mechanical shutter and limit the video capabilities to keep the cost down, positioning it between the Z6III and the Z8.
@@jtes1442 I totally agree with you! You’ve just described my dream camera along with the upgraded IBIS and viewfinder from the Z6iii. If I couldn’t have the A7RV type of screen, I’d even settle for the Z8/Z9 type of screen.
Nikon could sacrifice the video option (leaving at 4k30 as current model), no need for 120 FPS or more than 15-20 Raw, it needs an EVF with more resolution and AF at par with Z6III LEVEL. Z6 could move to predominantly videographers, z7 to photographers
I really need need a z7iii, nothing nikon is doing right now appeals to me. I want higher mp, high DR and great af. It can be slow, no need for fast shots per second, and a standard non stacked sensor
I purchased a Z7II Nikon camera for landscape photography. When the Nikon Z8 came out, I thought about upgrading but then again it will not take better landscape photographs. So I am sticking with my Z7II camera. Meanwhile, the money I would have spent on a new camera will go towards new lenses instead.
Same for me….If I was a professional, probably would upgrade for versatility, but as a retired hobbyist, I get amazing travel pics on my Z7II. I bought a Zf instead…a nostalgic beauty to pair with my FM cameras.
I would be interested in them moving in a different direction instead of continuing to chase the Red Queen of Megapixels in the resolution arms race. What if a Z7III instead beefed up dynamic range and had improved high ISO noise performance? Just a thought.
G’day Adrian, cheers for sharing your thoughts. I suspect Nikon will roll out a Z7iii, sporting a 60MP BSI sensor, unstacked, with lower video features vs the Z8 and z6iii. The unstacked sensor will be slower read-out, but maximise DR, allowing the Z7iii to be a stills powerhouse. Trimming down on video features, using an unstacked sensor, will help them slot it in between the Z6iii and Z8, price-wise. And yes, I believe an asp-c ‘z500’ and/or high-speed Z9H will be coming as well. A good time to be a Nikon shooter.
@@adrianalfordphotography Cheers Mate, you too. Windy and rainy here in Doreen /Vic atm, so will probably troll RUclips. Should really be out taking photos, huh…
I focus on landscape photography and have never felt the pull toward video. I agree that the Nikon Z8 hits all the right marks for what we’d expect from a Z7iii. While Nikon offers the Z5/Z50, which seems tailored more toward vloggers and video creators, it leaves photographers like us wanting more. Why not introduce a camera specifically for landscape photographers? Leica has mastered the art of selling dedicated cameras to niche markets. Marketing has its stages, and so does the product cycle. At first, you make all-purpose cameras, but now it’s time to focus on niche models.
A landscape photography camera tailored for a niche market... isn't that what the Z7 and Z7II already are? Isn't 45MP enough res already? Nikon would go broke if they introduced a Z7III pouring all their resources into a camera doing the same thing as the other two models.
Nikon needs to compete with Sony’s 61MP camera in some way shape or form. Some comments say that the Z7 linage could be a more specific “stills” camera because many Nikon users aren’t really into video; I am one of those people. So a camera with a larger MP sensor and a top line focussing system with Z6II video specs, I think would be a goer if priced right.
Probably not, but they should. The Z7III could use the same sensor as the Z7II, but add the Expeed 7 processor for the modern Nikon autofocus capabilities. Things that would prevent it from cannibalizing Z8 sales could be: non-stacked sensor (they should keep a mechanical shutter in there that shoots up to 12 FPS to prevent rolling shutter, and offer an electronic shutter option that makes no promises with respect to rolling shutter... no "partially stacked" sensor); maybe fewer autofocus points than the Z8 (like the Z6III); possibly pared down video specs (i.e. 6K only). It could be marketed as a lighter weight high megapixel camera for landscape photographers who hike with their cameras (they could even try to make the Z7III lighter than the Z7II, and make that a marketing point), and it could also be marketed as a backup camera for those who shoot wildlife and use the Z8 as their primary camera body. This would give Nikon shooters the Z8 and Z9 as cameras that can "do it all", the Z6III for users who want the high frame rate, but don't need the megapixels, and the Z7III for users who want the megapixels, but don't need the high frame rate. All they would be missing at that point would be a flagship APS-C camera (a mirrorless D500). If they ever made a Z7IV, by that point, hopefully camera technology would be progressing to the point where they could offer a camera similar to a Z7III, but with an increase in the megapixel count (i.e. 60, 70 megapixels, etc.).
IMO Nikon is making a big mistake if they don't release a high MP MECHANICAL SHUTTER camera. Most people don't need to shoot at 90 million frames per second, but I would argue many more benefit from high MP and having no risk of electronic shutter issues indoors. Also the Z8 is just too big for a mirrorless camera in my opinion. I would snap buy a z7iii but am not interested in a Z8 or z6iii the zf is the only interesting new Nikon camera to me but 24mp is just not gonna cut it for cropping in wildlife and for high res landscapes (I know it can do these things but lower mp to a point is strictly worse for these things).
Here's how I think they could a z7iii that is priced between the Z8 and z6iii that doesn't totally canabilize the other camera - 61MP sensor, latest autofocus, tilting screen, 10fps mechanical 20fps electronic shutter, 4k 60 video - no 6 or 8k, smaller body, and sensor shield. Maybe even 4k 30fps for video if they had to. This would be marketed as the photography first camera, for those of us who could care less about video.
I tend to agree with all your points. If Nikon developed their own sensors, then maybe a landscapes, stills, centric, small body, 36mp sensor camera, with Z8 autofocus could work…in DX mode, could be a great second option for wildlife, amateur sports shooters. However, if you throw in things like film simulations, different cinematic colours through RED collaboration, AI exposure assist, or on the flip side lots of manual ways to dial in colours, exposure, focus modes, plus an FTZ that allowed use of AFD lenses, then lots of folks may opt for that option.
The Z7II does not need to be in between the Z6III and Z8 in specs and price. Nikon just needs to make it unique in an important way so that some people may actually want to own a Z7III along with the Z6III and Z8. Here's to hoping that Nikon surprises us with another compelling camera.
Thanks. I don’t think there will be a Z7 III. Like you said there is not enough room between the Z6 III and the Z8. One area might be a better Wi-Fi system with instant transfer through the Cloud.
I’d love a z7 iii but agree what would the specs be! Adopting the 60mp sensor from Sony I don’t see happening either , the same way 33mp didn’t make sense for the z6 iii .
From a specs point of view, it’d sit between z7ii and z8 and within a price range between z6iii and z8. Not sure if there’s a market niche for that to be honest. Perhaps more photo centric rather than video centric with similar MP count as z7 and z8 that could potentially increase it with pixel shift. Let’s see
Having changed from a D850 and Z6ii to a Z8 I don't regret the move. The Z6ii was too small for me even though I put the smallrig L bracket on it manly to lengthen the grip without the bulk of the grip. Personally I don't think the Z7iii was ever going to happen before the Z7 (both versions) was a bit of a compromise for the pro's until Nikon brought out the Z9 which was the proper professional Z camera and now the Z8 the more compact version and Nikon have been doing this for years now. Example, the D3 then the D700, or the D4 then the D800, or the D5 and the D810, then the D6 and D850, ok not quite at equaltimesbut you probably get what I meant. And yes there were a few others that professionals used (other than the D500 and D3x) these were the only FX cameras marketed for pros. The Z6 and 7 versions 1 and 2, now 3 with the 6 were used by professionals but Nikon never actually marketed them for pros. I think Nikon wanted to wait and see how the pro and high end amateur market would pan out and the high amount of sales of the Z8 probably confirmed this to Nikon that this is where the gap needs to be. I could be wrong but the Z8 sales seemed to be higher than the Z7 versions 1 and 2 which would tend to prove this point. I'm not a professional photographer, but the main reason for going for the Z8 over the 7ii was ergonomics, and I didn't want/need 2 Nikon mirrorless cameras so I pulled the D850 and Z6ii together to get the Z8 and I'm very happy with it and the 24-120mm Z mount lens and the FTZ adapter with all the G lenses that I can still use on my wonderful D700 and F6, F100 and F90 film bodies.
Adrian, unfortunately I think you are correct. The gap between the Z6iii and the Z8 is very narrow both in price and specs. A Z7iii would probably too close to the Z8. The only thing I could see happening is if Nikon loaded a 60 MP sensor with the new processor into the Z7iii and sell it for $3000. This would make it attractive to most except action and wildlife photographers. Those photographers would then have the option of a Z6ii at $2500 or a Z8 at $3500 (on sale now). Anyway, it is fun to guess what will happen. Thanks again for another great video.
Thank you for watching my friend. Be interesting to see what happens in the future. From all the comments I'm seeing from people on this video, it looks like they want to see a D500 style mirrorless crop sensor camera more than a Z7III. Have a great weekend, cheers 🙏
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Always a hard one when a new camera comes out (with me it’s drones). Great advice Adrian, makes some interesting points. Have a great week.
I hope it gets released and with specs that follow its advertised purpose - high resolution. So, like the Sony A7RV - it should have higher MP than any other camera in the lineup (including the Z9 & Z8). If it doesn't, I don't see a purpose for it. Being higher MP, it would be slower shooting than Z8 & Z9 and maybe other tradeoffs. So, maybe its only target audience would be landscape or the same audience that would want a medium format camera.
I'd like to see a mirrorless equivalent of a D500, like a Z80/Z90. I'm also unsure if we'll ever a see a Z7 III, but Nikon did surprise me with the Z6III. So, it's not impossible.
I totally agree with your assessment of Nikon not manufacturing a Z7III upgrade in the future. It wouldn't make any sense whatsoever. The Z8 cut into just about half of the Z9 sales and made it less competitive with the other two major Japanese camera brands: Canon and Sony. With Canon's recently released upgrade to the R5M2 to compete with Nikon's Z8 and Sony's A1, I can't see where the Nikon Z7 would fit in. It would make sense to eventually phase it out within a few years in my humbled opinion. Besides, who is the present Z7II marketed toward? Nikon should further reduce the price for mass selling and phase it out over the next two or three years.
I agree that the Z7 is at the end of the line already. Right now, the Z6 III is already sitting in the Z7's pricing category and its specs are also right up there. The logical upgrade for a Z6 III owners is the Z8.
I have come to the same conclusion. I also switched from a D850 to the first Z7i. I am very happy with the Z7, but sometimes I am "unhappy" with the autofocus. The new Z lenses are great. The Z8 will probably be the Z7iii we were hoping for in the next few years!
I think it might actually happen, but not soon. Right now the whole fullframe lineup minus the Z5 is using Expeed 7 with AF performance only limited by the sensor and whatever firmware limitations Nikon makes. An Expeed 7 based Z7 III is too close to the Z8 to make sense. However, given the recent Canon R1 release in particular, with all its autofocus enhancements, it seems likely that Nikon as well, is hard at work for an update to its flagship, the Z9. If the top models, which include the Z8 as well, get this update, that might create space for a Z7 III to slot in. I say “might” as I’m not too sure about it. But I think it would be great if Nikon could lower the Z6 III price at that time, introduce a Z7 III, while innovating more at the flagship and sub-flagship (Z8) level.
Hi Adrian, interesting thoughts. I think it shows quite well how dependent we are on the marketing and product lines of the manufacturers 😁 I guess, the Z7III could appear if there would be released a Z8II with much higher specs than the Z8. But yes, it is all a question about how it fits into the product lines and maybe what the market opponents are doing. I think the latter thing is anyway a thing that gives a lot of definition of how the next camera could look like. Definitely interesting to see what will happen 🙂 Enjoy your Sunday, Christian
Thank you Christian for watching. I think there are so many new cameras being released on the market now that consumers are the winners. You can now fine tune your picking of a camera to suit your needs. Have a great weekend buddy 🙏
As you say Adrian, it's difficult to see what a Z7III will bring that would surpass the Z6III but remain below the Z8. The only thing I could see it being is a Z6III with a 45mp sensor - would that be sufficient appeal?
I don’t think a Z7III is likely with the 8 but Nikon could always take the new 6 and put a larger sensor in it and call it done for a decent up charge. One way to minimize development costs and still drive sales albeit possibly at the cost some in house models. If it were me though… Z8 all the way but I can see why some would opt for the Z7III.
The most likely spec is a 61MP Z7 III, otherwise much the same as the Z6 III, but slower due to larger pixel count. The reason - there is already such a sensor in Sony Semiconductor's inventory - it's a stock sensor, not a special for any company. Possibly Sony Semi would be looking to upgrade it to 'partially stacked' status and Nikon would be an obvious customer.
You wouldn’t think they could include features that were better than their existing cameras & not affect sales. Interesting topic though, only time will tell.
@@slimbirdy yeah it’s pretty tight between specs on the Z6III and Z8 - I just don’t see how a camera can fit between the 2 of them. Thanks for watching 🙏
If there is going to be a Z7 III, maybe it would have a 33 MP or 60 MP sensor. It would also get AF update. Don't have any idea what else it might get.
I really want to see a proper replacement for The d500. Looking for a second body and already heavy into nikon. Canon r7 etc looks tempting but would prefer to stay with the same brand.
How about they put the Nikon Z7ii sensor in the ZF body? I don’t need the high fps of the z8 and Z6iii. That could be, for me, the perfect in between camera. Great for all purpose uses plus landscape.
While I'm patiently waiting for a Z7iii to finally move from my DSLR to mirrorless I don't think I would ever want more resolution than 48mp or a camera with an articulating screen. It's hard for me to imagine that Nikon would close off the Z7 line and force photographers to replace their cameras with a a Z8 which is larger, heavier, and with different controls than what they have become used to.
I don't need all the bells and whistles of a Z8 but would like the sensor size but better autofocus than what the Z7ii has. I'd be happy to just have the Z7ii upgraded with the same sensor but with the exspeed 7 processor to allow the autofocus and viewfinder upgrade of the Z6iii plus the faster processor would allow a small increase in available frame rate. For those wishing a D500 replacement, a Z7iii with a frame rate matching a D500 and good autofocus can have it's image cropped to give almost the same sized file as produced by the DX sensor of the D500. So the best of both worlds. A lighter and cheaper camera for those not needing the video and huge frame rate of the Z8 which would also serve as a D500 replacement.
Should a Z7III ever become reality it just needs to differentiate itself by having the biggest pixel count. Nothing fancy, doesnt need silly fps or amazing video, just a decent super high rez sensor. There are plenty of photographic applications for which absolute resolution is paramount, landscape, macro, product, etc. So this would hardly be a " niche " camera, there are plenty of real world use cases for such a high rez sensor. Perhaps Nikon feel that offering high rez pixel shift in bodies like the Z6III is enough to meet that need. Maybe whats holding them back is the development of a medium format sensor based camera to compete against Fuji GFX? 🤔
A Z7 III would be smaller, higher MP, not stacked, no AA filter, and aimed at delivering the best image quality. It makes sense to me. You can make a slower, more image quality focused 61 MP sensor.
Z50 needs an update to comply with EU laws (USB C Charging). DX still needs some love so my gut tells me that will be next. Not necessarily a D500 type camera, even though that's what I want, but for wildlife I would like (don't need) IBIS in a Z mount body. Been getting along fine stopping the Z8 into DX mode. I don't know what specs would make me want to add a Z7 III to my kit if I'm being honest. Maybe a 60MP partially stacked sensor with all the tech/autofocus upgrades? Cheers!
Well, there are many reasons why I would prefer the Z7III over the Z8. Like a proper mechanical shutter with no image quality penalties, more megapixels, built-in/onboard memory (even with just a single memory card slot), the flippy screen (not just tilt), smaller size, weight and price. I don't care about insane amounts of frames per second, don't care about RAW video, don't care about full-size HDMI port, etc.
well, to me z6iii is like a mini z8, they are both hybrid camera, good at both video+photos. for z7iii to ever happen, it should be more still photo oriented, i.e. higher MP, but less continuous shooting speed, less video capability but better dynamic range, etc. but the author rightfully pointed out that such a camera would only appeal to a niche market......
Nikon got now good series full frame cameras, I wish that Nikon make Z50 mark II or something witch brings Nikon Z-series APS-C camera today. It is irrelevant are that Z50 Mark II or Z90 or what ever rumors have. Hope you understund. my english is not good
why does Nikon don't make budget mirrorless cameras with decent eye detection? The Nikon z5, 26, z7 has bad autofocus while the 28 and z9 has better but they cost A lot, even the Nikon z6 iii have a decent autofocus but it cost 2,5k dollars, I want Nikon to make a aps-c 24.5 megapixel with decent eye autofocus or more. But the Nikon z50 doesn't even have eye tracking why is it like that?? Even the canon r7 1,2k euro and it has a aps-c with 30 megapixel it has a VERY VERY good eye focus especially birds in flight, it can do that same as the Nikon z8 or z9. while Nikon don't even have budget camera to do those things.
Nikon will release a Z7lll. They will not reduce the megapixels, nor will they increase them, rather they will keep the same number. It will be partially stacked, like the 6lll. Expeed 7. It will have the same EVF as the 6lll. Of course, it will not have the higher ISO of the 6lll. It will have similar video capabilities as the 6lll, possibly fewer. It will not do 8K. It will be priced at $3199 USD. This is a nearly midway point between the $2500 6lll and the $3900 Z8. Expect an increase in the price of the Z8, and expect a Z8ll as well in the future, the capabilities of which will keep the Z7lll from cannibalizing sales. Consider all of this, and a Z7lll doesn't seem impossible at all.
Landscape first tool? But isn't that what the Z7 and Z7II already are? Why make another? "Why try to appeal to everybody?" Because it equals more sales for Nikon. They would not waste valuable resources making a camera only to sell to select small group of photographers.
Unfortunately Nikon don’t make cameras for me anymore. The 6iii, I don’t need the speed, the z8 and z9 are too big and again I don’t need speed. The z7ii is a solid camera, just needs an upgrade with AF and internal log video. This why I have moved over to Sony. they have a body that fits a lot of different needs. Nikons current line up is very specialised speed focused and like you said, there is much room for a z7iii between the 6 & 8.
You make some excellent points...as a Z7 owner that shoots mostly landscapes I never saw a necessity to move to a Z7II or a Z8. I would like to see a Nikon mirrorless rangefinder with Z7 II specs and a few new extra bells and whistles. Nikon ZR ? A poor mans Leica.
No need for z7iii ! Z8 ,z9 and z6iii is good enough for landscape for professionals. d500 replacement is missing in mirroless lineup. And there are so many people waiting for lightweight higher megapixel crop sensor camera for small bird ,wildlife ,hiking .
I hope Nikon do eventually release a Z7III. I guess Nikon did release the Z8 which was a cheaper and lighter alternative to the Z9. Yet the Z8 still packed a lot of similar specs to the Z9. Only Nikon knows the true answer as to what will happen in the future… 🤞🙏📸
I agree with you that the Z7III might never be released. However, the Z8 is too large for everyday travel. An ideal option would be a Z7III with the size of a Z6III, 60 MP resolution, and a screen similar to the A7RV. I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Z8’s size; not everyone prefers a camera that big. Nikon would need to include a mechanical shutter and limit the video capabilities to keep the cost down, positioning it between the Z6III and the Z8.
@@jtes1442 thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts
@@adrianalfordphotography I always enjoy watching your channel!
@@jtes1442 I totally agree with you! You’ve just described my dream camera along with the upgraded IBIS and viewfinder from the Z6iii. If I couldn’t have the A7RV type of screen, I’d even settle for the Z8/Z9 type of screen.
Yes this is the z7iii I want!
Nikon could sacrifice the video option (leaving at 4k30 as current model), no need for 120 FPS or more than 15-20 Raw, it needs an EVF with more resolution and AF at par with Z6III LEVEL. Z6 could move to predominantly videographers, z7 to photographers
I really need need a z7iii, nothing nikon is doing right now appeals to me. I want higher mp, high DR and great af. It can be slow, no need for fast shots per second, and a standard non stacked sensor
I want a z7iii with the focus improvements in recent models, but kept in a small, light body.
I purchased a Z7II Nikon camera for landscape photography. When the Nikon Z8 came out, I thought about upgrading but then again it will not take better landscape photographs. So I am sticking with my Z7II camera. Meanwhile, the money I would have spent on a new camera will go towards new lenses instead.
Same for me….If I was a professional, probably would upgrade for versatility, but as a retired hobbyist, I get amazing travel pics on my Z7II. I bought a Zf instead…a nostalgic beauty to pair with my FM cameras.
I would be interested in them moving in a different direction instead of continuing to chase the Red Queen of Megapixels in the resolution arms race. What if a Z7III instead beefed up dynamic range and had improved high ISO noise performance? Just a thought.
G’day Adrian, cheers for sharing your thoughts. I suspect Nikon will roll out a Z7iii, sporting a 60MP BSI sensor, unstacked, with lower video features vs the Z8 and z6iii.
The unstacked sensor will be slower read-out, but maximise DR, allowing the Z7iii to be a stills powerhouse. Trimming down on video features, using an unstacked sensor, will help them slot it in between the Z6iii and Z8, price-wise. And yes, I believe an asp-c ‘z500’ and/or high-speed Z9H will be coming as well.
A good time to be a Nikon shooter.
Many thanks for watching and commenting. Enjoy your weekend 🙏
@@adrianalfordphotography Cheers Mate, you too. Windy and rainy here in Doreen /Vic atm, so will probably troll RUclips. Should really be out taking photos, huh…
This is logical. I wouldn't expect 60 megapixels, however.
Be interesting to see what happens with the next Z camera. I'm with you though, I hope Nikon do release a Z7III
@@wingsofaustralia thanks for watching - I guess we will see what happens (or doesn’t happen) in the future 🤞
I focus on landscape photography and have never felt the pull toward video. I agree that the Nikon Z8 hits all the right marks for what we’d expect from a Z7iii. While Nikon offers the Z5/Z50, which seems tailored more toward vloggers and video creators, it leaves photographers like us wanting more. Why not introduce a camera specifically for landscape photographers? Leica has mastered the art of selling dedicated cameras to niche markets. Marketing has its stages, and so does the product cycle. At first, you make all-purpose cameras, but now it’s time to focus on niche models.
A landscape photography camera tailored for a niche market... isn't that what the Z7 and Z7II already are? Isn't 45MP enough res already? Nikon would go broke if they introduced a Z7III pouring all their resources into a camera doing the same thing as the other two models.
Nikon needs to compete with Sony’s 61MP camera in some way shape or form. Some comments say that the Z7 linage could be a more specific “stills” camera because many Nikon users aren’t really into video; I am one of those people. So a camera with a larger MP sensor and a top line focussing system with Z6II video specs, I think would be a goer if priced right.
Probably not, but they should. The Z7III could use the same sensor as the Z7II, but add the Expeed 7 processor for the modern Nikon autofocus capabilities. Things that would prevent it from cannibalizing Z8 sales could be: non-stacked sensor (they should keep a mechanical shutter in there that shoots up to 12 FPS to prevent rolling shutter, and offer an electronic shutter option that makes no promises with respect to rolling shutter... no "partially stacked" sensor); maybe fewer autofocus points than the Z8 (like the Z6III); possibly pared down video specs (i.e. 6K only). It could be marketed as a lighter weight high megapixel camera for landscape photographers who hike with their cameras (they could even try to make the Z7III lighter than the Z7II, and make that a marketing point), and it could also be marketed as a backup camera for those who shoot wildlife and use the Z8 as their primary camera body.
This would give Nikon shooters the Z8 and Z9 as cameras that can "do it all", the Z6III for users who want the high frame rate, but don't need the megapixels, and the Z7III for users who want the megapixels, but don't need the high frame rate. All they would be missing at that point would be a flagship APS-C camera (a mirrorless D500). If they ever made a Z7IV, by that point, hopefully camera technology would be progressing to the point where they could offer a camera similar to a Z7III, but with an increase in the megapixel count (i.e. 60, 70 megapixels, etc.).
IMO Nikon is making a big mistake if they don't release a high MP MECHANICAL SHUTTER camera. Most people don't need to shoot at 90 million frames per second, but I would argue many more benefit from high MP and having no risk of electronic shutter issues indoors. Also the Z8 is just too big for a mirrorless camera in my opinion. I would snap buy a z7iii but am not interested in a Z8 or z6iii the zf is the only interesting new Nikon camera to me but 24mp is just not gonna cut it for cropping in wildlife and for high res landscapes (I know it can do these things but lower mp to a point is strictly worse for these things).
Here's how I think they could a z7iii that is priced between the Z8 and z6iii that doesn't totally canabilize the other camera - 61MP sensor, latest autofocus, tilting screen, 10fps mechanical 20fps electronic shutter, 4k 60 video - no 6 or 8k, smaller body, and sensor shield. Maybe even 4k 30fps for video if they had to. This would be marketed as the photography first camera, for those of us who could care less about video.
Z7iii have to be a sport and action camera oriented to be able to have a good performance on photography and not on video. 50mpx it is a correct size.
I tend to agree with all your points. If Nikon developed their own sensors, then maybe a landscapes, stills, centric, small body, 36mp sensor camera, with Z8 autofocus could work…in DX mode, could be a great second option for wildlife, amateur sports shooters. However, if you throw in things like film simulations, different cinematic colours through RED collaboration, AI exposure assist, or on the flip side lots of manual ways to dial in colours, exposure, focus modes, plus an FTZ that allowed use of AFD lenses, then lots of folks may opt for that option.
The Z7II does not need to be in between the Z6III and Z8 in specs and price. Nikon just needs to make it unique in an important way so that some people may actually want to own a Z7III along with the Z6III and Z8. Here's to hoping that Nikon surprises us with another compelling camera.
Thanks. I don’t think there will be a Z7 III. Like you said there is not enough room between the Z6 III and the Z8. One area might be a better Wi-Fi system with instant transfer through the Cloud.
I’d love a z7 iii but agree what would the specs be! Adopting the 60mp sensor from Sony I don’t see happening either , the same way 33mp didn’t make sense for the z6 iii .
From a specs point of view, it’d sit between z7ii and z8 and within a price range between z6iii and z8. Not sure if there’s a market niche for that to be honest. Perhaps more photo centric rather than video centric with similar MP count as z7 and z8 that could potentially increase it with pixel shift. Let’s see
Having changed from a D850 and Z6ii to a Z8 I don't regret the move. The Z6ii was too small for me even though I put the smallrig L bracket on it manly to lengthen the grip without the bulk of the grip. Personally I don't think the Z7iii was ever going to happen before the Z7 (both versions) was a bit of a compromise for the pro's until Nikon brought out the Z9 which was the proper professional Z camera and now the Z8 the more compact version and Nikon have been doing this for years now. Example, the D3 then the D700, or the D4 then the D800, or the D5 and the D810, then the D6 and D850, ok not quite at equaltimesbut you probably get what I meant. And yes there were a few others that professionals used (other than the D500 and D3x) these were the only FX cameras marketed for pros. The Z6 and 7 versions 1 and 2, now 3 with the 6 were used by professionals but Nikon never actually marketed them for pros. I think Nikon wanted to wait and see how the pro and high end amateur market would pan out and the high amount of sales of the Z8 probably confirmed this to Nikon that this is where the gap needs to be. I could be wrong but the Z8 sales seemed to be higher than the Z7 versions 1 and 2 which would tend to prove this point. I'm not a professional photographer, but the main reason for going for the Z8 over the 7ii was ergonomics, and I didn't want/need 2 Nikon mirrorless cameras so I pulled the D850 and Z6ii together to get the Z8 and I'm very happy with it and the 24-120mm Z mount lens and the FTZ adapter with all the G lenses that I can still use on my wonderful D700 and F6, F100 and F90 film bodies.
Adrian, unfortunately I think you are correct. The gap between the Z6iii and the Z8 is very narrow both in price and specs. A Z7iii would probably too close to the Z8. The only thing I could see happening is if Nikon loaded a 60 MP sensor with the new processor into the Z7iii and sell it for $3000. This would make it attractive to most except action and wildlife photographers. Those photographers would then have the option of a Z6ii at $2500 or a Z8 at $3500 (on sale now). Anyway, it is fun to guess what will happen. Thanks again for another great video.
Thank you for watching my friend. Be interesting to see what happens in the future. From all the comments I'm seeing from people on this video, it looks like they want to see a D500 style mirrorless crop sensor camera more than a Z7III. Have a great weekend, cheers 🙏
Always a hard one when a new camera comes out (with me it’s drones). Great advice Adrian, makes some interesting points. Have a great week.
Many thanks for watching Shaun. Have a great weekend 🙏
another great video. certainly makes it difficult to consider an upgrade path from the original Z6...
I hope it gets released and with specs that follow its advertised purpose - high resolution. So, like the Sony A7RV - it should have higher MP than any other camera in the lineup (including the Z9 & Z8). If it doesn't, I don't see a purpose for it. Being higher MP, it would be slower shooting than Z8 & Z9 and maybe other tradeoffs. So, maybe its only target audience would be landscape or the same audience that would want a medium format camera.
I'd like to see a mirrorless equivalent of a D500, like a Z80/Z90. I'm also unsure if we'll ever a see a Z7 III, but Nikon did surprise me with the Z6III. So, it's not impossible.
I totally agree with your assessment of Nikon not manufacturing a Z7III upgrade in the future. It wouldn't make any sense whatsoever. The Z8 cut into just about half of the Z9 sales and made it less competitive with the other two major Japanese camera brands: Canon and Sony.
With Canon's recently released upgrade to the R5M2 to compete with Nikon's Z8 and Sony's A1, I can't see where the Nikon Z7 would fit in. It would make sense to eventually phase it out within a few years in my humbled opinion. Besides, who is the present Z7II marketed toward? Nikon should further reduce the price for mass selling and phase it out over the next two or three years.
I agree that the Z7 is at the end of the line already. Right now, the Z6 III is already sitting in the Z7's pricing category and its specs are also right up there. The logical upgrade for a Z6 III owners is the Z8.
I have come to the same conclusion. I also switched from a D850 to the first Z7i. I am very happy with the Z7, but sometimes I am "unhappy" with the autofocus. The new Z lenses are great. The Z8 will probably be the Z7iii we were hoping for in the next few years!
I think it might actually happen, but not soon. Right now the whole fullframe lineup minus the Z5 is using Expeed 7 with AF performance only limited by the sensor and whatever firmware limitations Nikon makes. An Expeed 7 based Z7 III is too close to the Z8 to make sense. However, given the recent Canon R1 release in particular, with all its autofocus enhancements, it seems likely that Nikon as well, is hard at work for an update to its flagship, the Z9. If the top models, which include the Z8 as well, get this update, that might create space for a Z7 III to slot in. I say “might” as I’m not too sure about it. But I think it would be great if Nikon could lower the Z6 III price at that time, introduce a Z7 III, while innovating more at the flagship and sub-flagship (Z8) level.
Hi Adrian, interesting thoughts. I think it shows quite well how dependent we are on the marketing and product lines of the manufacturers 😁 I guess, the Z7III could appear if there would be released a Z8II with much higher specs than the Z8. But yes, it is all a question about how it fits into the product lines and maybe what the market opponents are doing. I think the latter thing is anyway a thing that gives a lot of definition of how the next camera could look like. Definitely interesting to see what will happen 🙂
Enjoy your Sunday,
Christian
Thank you Christian for watching. I think there are so many new cameras being released on the market now that consumers are the winners. You can now fine tune your picking of a camera to suit your needs. Have a great weekend buddy 🙏
As you say Adrian, it's difficult to see what a Z7III will bring that would surpass the Z6III but remain below the Z8. The only thing I could see it being is a Z6III with a 45mp sensor - would that be sufficient appeal?
I'm already a happy owner of a Z8 and to understand all settings it will take a couple of months.
I don’t think a Z7III is likely with the 8 but Nikon could always take the new 6 and put a larger sensor in it and call it done for a decent up charge. One way to minimize development costs and still drive sales albeit possibly at the cost some in house models. If it were me though… Z8 all the way but I can see why some would opt for the Z7III.
The most likely spec is a 61MP Z7 III, otherwise much the same as the Z6 III, but slower due to larger pixel count. The reason - there is already such a sensor in Sony Semiconductor's inventory - it's a stock sensor, not a special for any company. Possibly Sony Semi would be looking to upgrade it to 'partially stacked' status and Nikon would be an obvious customer.
You wouldn’t think they could include features that were better than their existing cameras & not affect sales. Interesting topic though, only time will tell.
@@slimbirdy yeah it’s pretty tight between specs on the Z6III and Z8 - I just don’t see how a camera can fit between the 2 of them. Thanks for watching 🙏
If there is going to be a Z7 III, maybe it would have a 33 MP or 60 MP sensor. It would also get AF update. Don't have any idea what else it might get.
A Z7iii with fully articulating screen + up-to-date Expeed and it'd be down to what trade-in value I could get for the II.
I really want to see a proper replacement for The d500. Looking for a second body and already heavy into nikon. Canon r7 etc looks tempting but would prefer to stay with the same brand.
How about they put the Nikon Z7ii sensor in the ZF body? I don’t need the high fps of the z8 and Z6iii. That could be, for me, the perfect in between camera. Great for all purpose uses plus landscape.
Hi mate, couldn’t have said it better!!!
Ive been waiting for the Olympics to start, to see if Nikon releases the z7iii
I doubt it, as you say in the video, a too smaller gap between the Z8 and Z6iii.
The z8 is the z7ii improved in every way except the price. Size is subjective some people like the larger size z8.
While I'm patiently waiting for a Z7iii to finally move from my DSLR to mirrorless I don't think I would ever want more resolution than 48mp or a camera with an articulating screen. It's hard for me to imagine that Nikon would close off the Z7 line and force photographers to replace their cameras with a a Z8 which is larger, heavier, and with different controls than what they have become used to.
I don't need all the bells and whistles of a Z8 but would like the sensor size but better autofocus than what the Z7ii has. I'd be happy to just have the Z7ii upgraded with the same sensor but with the exspeed 7 processor to allow the autofocus and viewfinder upgrade of the Z6iii plus the faster processor would allow a small increase in available frame rate. For those wishing a D500 replacement, a Z7iii with a frame rate matching a D500 and good autofocus can have it's image cropped to give almost the same sized file as produced by the DX sensor of the D500. So the best of both worlds. A lighter and cheaper camera for those not needing the video and huge frame rate of the Z8 which would also serve as a D500 replacement.
Should a Z7III ever become reality it just needs to differentiate itself by having the biggest pixel count. Nothing fancy, doesnt need silly fps or amazing video, just a decent super high rez sensor. There are plenty of photographic applications for which absolute resolution is paramount, landscape, macro, product, etc. So this would hardly be a " niche " camera, there are plenty of real world use cases for such a high rez sensor. Perhaps Nikon feel that offering high rez pixel shift in bodies like the Z6III is enough to meet that need. Maybe whats holding them back is the development of a medium format sensor based camera to compete against Fuji GFX? 🤔
A Z7 III would be smaller, higher MP, not stacked, no AA filter, and aimed at delivering the best image quality. It makes sense to me. You can make a slower, more image quality focused 61 MP sensor.
Z50 needs an update to comply with EU laws (USB C Charging). DX still needs some love so my gut tells me that will be next. Not necessarily a D500 type camera, even though that's what I want, but for wildlife I would like (don't need) IBIS in a Z mount body. Been getting along fine stopping the Z8 into DX mode. I don't know what specs would make me want to add a Z7 III to my kit if I'm being honest. Maybe a 60MP partially stacked sensor with all the tech/autofocus upgrades? Cheers!
I’m confuse with Nikon? Why can’t they make an affordable mirrorless camera with tracking? Like eye tracking bird or more?? Like the canon r7
Well, there are many reasons why I would prefer the Z7III over the Z8. Like a proper mechanical shutter with no image quality penalties, more megapixels, built-in/onboard memory (even with just a single memory card slot), the flippy screen (not just tilt), smaller size, weight and price. I don't care about insane amounts of frames per second, don't care about RAW video, don't care about full-size HDMI port, etc.
well, to me z6iii is like a mini z8, they are both hybrid camera, good at both video+photos. for z7iii to ever happen, it should be more still photo oriented, i.e. higher MP, but less continuous shooting speed, less video capability but better dynamic range, etc.
but the author rightfully pointed out that such a camera would only appeal to a niche market......
I agree with other posters, for me the z8 is too big and heavy.
Nikon got now good series full frame cameras, I wish that Nikon make Z50 mark II or something witch brings Nikon Z-series APS-C camera today. It is irrelevant are that Z50 Mark II or Z90 or what ever rumors have. Hope you understund. my english is not good
Z6 low light dynamic range is problematic... There is room for the Z7-3.
edit: 36M would be the sweet spot.
I agree. 24MP is the perfect file size! Excellent video!
@@Twobarpsi thank you for watching. Have a great weekend 🙏
Imagine the Z7III being an entry level medium format.
Hi megapixel
Low frame rate
Limited to 4k60
There is a market for a photographer’s camera, less video capabilities.
why does Nikon don't make budget mirrorless cameras with decent eye detection? The Nikon z5, 26, z7 has bad autofocus while the 28 and z9 has better but they cost A lot, even the Nikon z6 iii have a decent autofocus but it cost 2,5k dollars, I want Nikon to make a aps-c 24.5 megapixel with decent eye autofocus or more. But the Nikon z50 doesn't even have eye tracking why is it like that?? Even the canon r7 1,2k euro and it has a aps-c with 30 megapixel it has a VERY VERY good eye focus especially birds in flight, it can do that same as the Nikon z8 or z9. while Nikon don't even have budget camera to do those things.
Nikon will release a Z7lll. They will not reduce the megapixels, nor will they increase them, rather they will keep the same number. It will be partially stacked, like the 6lll. Expeed 7. It will have the same EVF as the 6lll. Of course, it will not have the higher ISO of the 6lll. It will have similar video capabilities as the 6lll, possibly fewer. It will not do 8K. It will be priced at $3199 USD. This is a nearly midway point between the $2500 6lll and the $3900 Z8. Expect an increase in the price of the Z8, and expect a Z8ll as well in the future, the capabilities of which will keep the Z7lll from cannibalizing sales. Consider all of this, and a Z7lll doesn't seem impossible at all.
What would a fullframe 80mp? camera be named? Or will there not be one in the foreseeble future?
Perhaps a Z7III will be a Z6III but with something like a 33MP sensor
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts 🙏
I'll tell you why Nikon need to make a Z7iii.... IQ over speed - no stacked DR crippled sensor.
How about a partially stacked 33 mp crop frame sensor geared toward the wildlife enthusiast? I think that could be priced nicely between the 6 and 8.
Z7 III would step too much on Z8's toes
I'm with you, Adrian! I don't think we will see one.
@@PhilThach thanks for watching Phil 🙏
pls make it landscape first tool... no need for video features, no need for silly speeds.. why try to appeal to everybody??
Landscape first tool? But isn't that what the Z7 and Z7II already are? Why make another? "Why try to appeal to everybody?" Because it equals more sales for Nikon. They would not waste valuable resources making a camera only to sell to select small group of photographers.
Unfortunately Nikon don’t make cameras for me anymore. The 6iii, I don’t need the speed, the z8 and z9 are too big and again I don’t need speed. The z7ii is a solid camera, just needs an upgrade with AF and internal log video. This why I have moved over to Sony. they have a body that fits a lot of different needs. Nikons current line up is very specialised speed focused and like you said, there is much room for a z7iii between the 6 & 8.
You make some excellent points...as a Z7 owner that shoots mostly landscapes I never saw a necessity to move to a Z7II or a Z8. I would like to see a Nikon mirrorless rangefinder with Z7 II specs and a few new extra bells and whistles. Nikon ZR ? A poor mans Leica.
@@tonytfuntek3262 thanks for watching Tony and sharing your thoughts 🙏
No need for z7iii ! Z8 ,z9 and z6iii is good enough for landscape for professionals. d500 replacement is missing in mirroless lineup. And there are so many people waiting for lightweight higher megapixel crop sensor camera for small bird ,wildlife ,hiking .
nikon Z7III 30-36 mp. perhaps